Beloved TV chef Rachael Ray shared the secret to what makes her marriage with husband John Cuismano work on a recent episode of her podcast I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead . On her third show , she was joined by fellow chef Jacques Pépin who was there as a guest. During the podcast, she spoke about her relationship with John and how the pair level each other.

The two have been married since 2005, . Rachael said : “John works with me and has built our business and our brand together, but we agreed in concept about service to community, service to the world, service to animals, to children.” Rachael revealed that she and John didn’t tie the knot until they were in their late thirties.

Food Network's Duff Goldman hit by 'drunk driver' as he details 'long road to recovery' Guy Fieri says he won't easily hand over his Flavortown empire to his sons The ex-Food Network star explained that it was necessary for her for them to marry since she felt he would be a “true partner” in what she believed in. While on the topic of spouses, Jacques opened up about the love he had for his late wife, who he was married to for 54 years. Rachael also reveled in the romance that Jacques and Gloria had.

“I love that you talk about that you guys were different and brought something to each other, because that's what I love about John,” Rachael noted. “You know, he's a lawyer, and a musician. I'm not a musician, I'm certainly no lawyer, I hate reading legal documents and official stuff, .