Transportation Secretary says Senator knows that is not good for the country. "I think there's a bunch of people, including him, who know deep down how bad Donald Trump is for the country, realize that they could gain power by attaching themselves to him, and he did it," Buttigieg said on the podcast. Vance, who is Trump's running mate, said in the year before the former president took office that he was a "never Trump guy.

" He also criticized Trump, using words like "idiot" and "Hitler." "As somebody who doesn't like Trump myself, I sort of—I understand where Trump's voters come from," Vance said in an interview with Charlie Rose in 2016. "But I also don't like Trump himself, and that made me realize that maybe I'm not quite part of either world totally.

" Buttigieg said this is a common switch that he has seen among other . "I've certainly seen a lot of Republicans, especially my generation of Republicans, go through some version of this evolution," Buttigieg said. "I think it's more dramatic in his case, and I think it means there's a real contradiction in him.

" The transportation secretary also called out Vance for "simultaneously" standing as the who is supposed to explain conservatism to the world while also standing with Trump's "facts don't matter campaign." The transportation secretary said Vance has criticized both parties for "getting things wrong" yet goes on to vote for "good old-fashioned Republican" policies about issues like tax cuts for the rich and "undermi.