As Agatha All Along prepares to drop its fifth episode—out of nine total—fans now have a growing sense of how the show fits into the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And, well, it’s pretty much been a standalone so far, aside from a few hints at Mephisto-adjacent lore . That’s just fine with Agatha All Along creator Jac Schaeffer, who knows a thing or two about being intertwined with the MCU, having also created Agatha ‘s predecessor WandaVision.

Speaking to the Hollywood Reporter , Schaeffer—who also co-wrote Black Widow , which had many tendrils linked into other Marvel properties—sounded a bit relieved to be working in a relatively independent pocket of the MCU. “Agatha hasn’t appeared in any of the features [so we] didn’t have the burden of retrofitting any canon,” she said. “On WandaVision , both Paul [Bettany] and Lizzie [Elizabeth Olsen] had so much backstory in themselves and between each other.

So their moments of romance in the films are so petite, but they meant so much to those two performers. So we wanted to underscore those moments and fill them out more.” She continued.

“We also had the larger Scarlet Witch burden of the Infinity Stone and that kind of thing. Even with WandaVision , it was less about how it fits with future properties. We had some of that, but it was more, ‘How do we nestle this in what already exists and both enhance the story we’re telling and buttress the stories that have come before?’ It’s heartbreaking to dis.