Massive spoilers for Season 2, Episode 7 of Rings of Power are ahead. If you aren’t caught up, you can stream it with an Amazon Prime subscription . Then, make sure to watch the finale when it premieres on the 2024 TV schedule this Thursday, October 3.

This season, Sauron has upped his game , and he pulled off a great deception by shielding Celebrimbor from the real world so he could make the rings of power. However, that facade dropped in Episode 7, and Charles Edwards’ elf didn’t just figure out that he was being deceived, he called Charlie Vickers’ character out for it too. So, when I got to interview the actor behind the Lord of the Rings villain, I had to ask him about this moment and what was going through Sauron’s mind during it.

During my first set of Rings of Power Season 2 interviews , I asked the cast which LOTR character they’d act like if they got the rings. They all responded by saying they’d be overtaken by its power. Then, watching the second season of their show, it was reiterated that it's impossible to not be negatively impacted by the evil power of the jewelry.

Even Sauron, the being behind the creation, is being manipulated by them, and Celebrimbor called him out for it during the following conversation in Episode 7: Celebrimbor: And after all that, you would still choose to inflict the same pain upon me? Sauron: No. You chose it. Not I.

Celebrimbor: What? Sauron: All depends on the Rings. And since you forced me to torment you to bring them.